Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: 10:42 :- ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: 10:43 @stephen I'm rarely serious.... Stephen Downes: 10:44 lol ELI134Attendee3 @ Universit
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Multiple Lessons Learned from Implementing MOOC Environments at San Jose State University
April 4, 2013: 12:35 p.m ET (UTC-4; 12:00 p.m CT, 11:00 a.m MT, 10:00 a.m PT)
Session Chat (MST)
Stephen Downes: (10:39) First MOOC for credit was in 2008, CCVK08, University of Manitoba, Canada Stephen Downes: (10:39) CCK08
ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:40) That wasn't a "real" MOOC, though
Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:40) define rreal mooc please
ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:40) Inside joke
Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:41) good to know, as I attended that first adventure, and it certainly seemed like a MOOC to me :-)
ELI134Attendee2 @ Duke University: (10:41) There should be an option for "already creating MOOCs." :-) Stephen Downes: (10:41) @ELI134 goodness I thought you were serious for a sec
suehellman@University of New Brunswick: (10:41) @ Fairbanks how could the first MOOC not have been a 'real' MOOC? In what ways?
Michael Feldstein: (10:42) I like yesterday's suggestion of calling them "Massive Open Online Courses Or Whatever (MOOCOW)"
VictoriaGetis@ Northwestern University: (10:42) @Michael love it!
Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:42) :-)
ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:43) @stephen I'm rarely serious
Stephen Downes: (10:44) lol
ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:44) @Stephen Was actually bemoaning the lack
of discussion about cMOOCs
Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:45) what is "cMoocs"
DELTA @ NCSU: (10:46) Sounds more like flipped class than a MOOC
Malcolm Brown, ELI: (10:46) @delta exactly
Trang 2Center for Teaching and Learning @ Cal State Sacramento: (10:47) Beatrice.russell:what is the difference between using a LMS ( i.e Blackboard) and MOOC?
Jill Leafstedt: (10:47) So, they used EdX content with SJSU faculty serving as support and advisors? Scott Simkins @ North Carolina A&T State Univ: (10:47) @DELTA:There's a (1) on that slide I'm assuming there's more coming
Oneita Burgess @ Univ of Texas of the Permian Basin: (10:47) Was exam f2f?
Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (10:47) Why is this so unique?Many other institutions are
'flipping'- this one just happed to use a MOOC that they didn't develop instead of some other learning activities developed by faculty or textbook or publisher content
ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:48) Wow, that is quite a change
Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:48) Udadicty/Coursera/edX are referred to as examples of xMOOCs/ cMOOCs (Connectivist MOOCs),
Stephen Downes: (10:48) Can't generalize on results from one course
Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:49) woops let me say that clearer cMOOCs conectivist MOOCs
Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:49) xMOOCs Undadicty/Coursera/edX
Kate Beverage @ Worcester Polytechnic Inst: (10:49) was the facilitator of the MOOC the same person who instructed the "regular" course?
Peter Whitmer @ Pearson: (10:49) 100 students, there's that MOOCOW acronym again
Maggie Lattuca @ McGill University: (10:50) What distinguishes this from a regular hybrid course? ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:50) Not much
Jill Leafstedt: (10:50) how is 100 massive? MOOCOW
ELI134Attendee22 @university: (10:50) If you have to pay , register, and it is capped at 100 then missing the M and O of MOOCs ?
Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:51) Howdo the costs work on this?Lots of labor for people and face time and expensive production but cheap student cost.Assume this is for a loss and thought is long term strategic investmetn (with help from Gates?)
ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:51) How much is robust compensation?
Stephen Downes: (10:51) I'm not seeing the relevance of this talk to MOOCs
ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:52) Perhaps the M stands for "money."
Trang 3ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:52) Branding
Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:52) @ Stephen - I think the trick is that it's with Udacity
Stephen Downes: (10:52) yeah
Elena Garofoli @ Boston University: (10:52) how can students with learning disabilities such as ADD ever
be able to successfull participate in a MOOC?
Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:52) I would like to know how faculty is compensated for teaching a MOOC class Thanks!
Malcolm Brown, ELI: (10:52) I think this is very relevant.It is the way the MOOC will evolve going forward Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (10:53) DUH!Nothing new here
Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:53) is it considered as a normal course load?
Adrienne Gauthier & Crew @ Dartmouth College: (10:53) @downes I think the relevance is to show other things that MOOCs can enable
Stephen Downes: (10:53) No - there's *not* always going to be an element of F2F - that's just the way the speaker did it
Stephen Downes: (10:53) I love how she represents the choices they made as 'inevitable'
ELI134Attendee22 @ Dublin City University: (10:53) Not sure if there is a natural continuum from Online
to MOOCs
Sheri Prupis @ NJEDge Net: (10:53) for poll at right.Need an ALL OF THE ABOVE
Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:54) @ Sheri - LOL I agree! :)
ELI134Attendee3@CSU San Marcos: (10:54) What was the ratio of course mentors to students? Who were the mentors and how were they trained?
Chris Lott @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:54) I'd like to hear how this info on MOOCs would be at all different from any generic info on MOOCs from any admin who has Googled for a few minutes Stephen Downes: (10:54) There is no continuum - but saying there is one allows you to miscrepresent a closed offline on-campus course as a MOOC
suehellman@University of New Brunswick: (10:55) Are there any preliminary findings about
underserved students?
Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:55) I would like to know how SJSU faculty are
compensated for teaching MOOCs Is it considered as a normal course load?
Trang 4Penn State - University Park: (10:56) How does a MOOC offered for credit & $$ differ from a San Jose online course that uses Udacity as its delivery platform??
Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (10:56) How did the teaching/learning paradigm changed for this process?These ideas don't seem very different that a good course development process
Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (10:56) What was the true cost (not the price) to provide these courses for your students (say for the stats course)?
Stephen Downes: (10:56) It's "Not all MOOCs are created equal" not "All MOOCs are not created equal" ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (10:56) Is it your intention to use MOOCs to reduce personel or do you view it as a tool to better education
Randal Baier @ Eastern Michigan University: (10:56) @Stephen wouldn't MOOC-as-core-content be part of that continuum?
Pamela Giles - Indiana Wesleyan University: (10:56) Please explain the dollar numbers on the second slide.To what do they refer?
Chris Lott @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:57) @stephen the closed offline on campus course can
be renamed the ZBBP - simple rot13 and all done
Stephen Downes: (10:57) @Randal - no - because a MOOC is not = to its core content
Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (10:57) Can your $150 model scale? What would be the supplemental investment necessary from the institution or other funders per student per course?
Stephen Downes: (10:57) The 'core' of a MOOC isn't the content, it's the open online community and interaction
Megan Linos @ University of Southern Indiana: (10:58) @ Stephen Agreed
Heidi Olson-University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:58) well said @stephen
ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (10:58) @stephen Try monetizing that
Stephen Downes: (10:58) The content is (as I've often said) the 'McGuffin' - it gets the MOOC off the ground, but its interchangable
DELTA @ NCSU: (10:58) @Chris - do you date back to usenet? :-)
Randal Baier @ Eastern Michigan University: (10:58) @Stephen OK, the MOO part yes, I see your point
Oneita Burgess @ Univ of Texas of the Permian Basin: (10:59) Wondered when the MOO would come up
Trang 5Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (10:59) How do you justify this cost to your governing board?
ELI134Attendee3 @ University of Alaska Fairbanks: (11:00) Coming to the realization that my courses are 00s
Kristin Palmer @ UVa Program Director Online Learning: (11:00) that course mentor sounds very similar
to southern new hampshire and their program
Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (11:00) None of the other MOOCs have course mentors?
Stephen Downes: (11:00) Yes there are many claims in this talk of 'first' and 'only' that aren't really so Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (11:00) Can the course mentor model scale?What is your next
experiment in increasing the size?
ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (11:01) Did students have more contact time with instructoirs for the flipped EdEx classroom?
suehellman@University of New Brunswick: (11:01) Do they hanve any preliminary results about how well underserved students are doing and which interventions are making the difference?
Oneita Burgess @ Univ of Texas of the Permian Basin: (11:01) With Udacity providing mentor and ProctorU costs, does the $150 cover all costs?
ELI134Attendee3 @ Oklahoma State University: (11:02) Do you feele you have a COI with edex
considering your position?
Barbara Zirkin @ Stevenson University: (11:02) Are mentors = faculty?
Stephen Downes: (11:02) The term 'underserved' is really pernicious - because it's so close to
'undeserved'
Joshua Kim @ Dartmouth College: (11:02) It is understandable that the economic model is being
discovered, but the costs should be able to be enumerated
ELI134Attendee4 @ Syracuse University: (11:03) Why $150 per course?